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	<title>Comments on: ThrivePDX: Meh</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Jackson III</title>
		<link>http://www.anotherblogger.com/2008/11/11/thrivepdx-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-408394</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Jackson III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;ll take the bait; you&#039;re so cheap, Aaron!  ;)

Seriously though, some good comments but maybe overanalyzing it just a little.  I don&#039;t know, I wasn&#039;t there.  Let&#039;s just get more people @beerandblog (though it was already uber-packed last week) and call it good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll take the bait; you&#8217;re so cheap, Aaron!  <img src='http://www.anotherblogger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Seriously though, some good comments but maybe overanalyzing it just a little.  I don&#8217;t know, I wasn&#8217;t there.  Let&#8217;s just get more people @beerandblog (though it was already uber-packed last week) and call it good!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen McDade</title>
		<link>http://www.anotherblogger.com/2008/11/11/thrivepdx-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-408377</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen McDade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, since my comment is gone...I don&#039;t think I can re-create it now.  But my main point was that although I did not attend Thrive, I am seeing a huge parallel between the post-Thrive conversation and &lt;a href=&quot;http://oxidation.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/community-transformation-and-transcendence-v01/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this blog post&lt;/a&gt; that I read recently.  Found that interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, since my comment is gone&#8230;I don&#8217;t think I can re-create it now.  But my main point was that although I did not attend Thrive, I am seeing a huge parallel between the post-Thrive conversation and <a href="http://oxidation.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/community-transformation-and-transcendence-v01/" rel="nofollow">this blog post</a> that I read recently.  Found that interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.anotherblogger.com/2008/11/11/thrivepdx-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-408374</link>
		<dc:creator>Dawn Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should keep the remarks about forming  a board with a leader for this event in perspective. It was a single suggestion from a person at the event. As an organizer, I think it is completely unnecessary and not something I think we want to do. We already have groups in place to handle this type of thing - we don&#039;t need another one.

What we are trying to accomplish with Thrive is to further unify the Portland tech community. We want to get people who don&#039;t usually come together at events to come to ThrivePDX. Ultimately, we want companies in Portland working together, hiring each other, and making the Portland economy stronger. I&#039;d like to see Portland companies working together with local independents and freelancers.

Too many people are facing tough times, the economy sucks, and some cool local companies have cut jobs. We&#039;re trying to make the community stronger in any way we can. Please try to keep this in mind when considering future ThrivePDX events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should keep the remarks about forming  a board with a leader for this event in perspective. It was a single suggestion from a person at the event. As an organizer, I think it is completely unnecessary and not something I think we want to do. We already have groups in place to handle this type of thing &#8211; we don&#8217;t need another one.</p>
<p>What we are trying to accomplish with Thrive is to further unify the Portland tech community. We want to get people who don&#8217;t usually come together at events to come to ThrivePDX. Ultimately, we want companies in Portland working together, hiring each other, and making the Portland economy stronger. I&#8217;d like to see Portland companies working together with local independents and freelancers.</p>
<p>Too many people are facing tough times, the economy sucks, and some cool local companies have cut jobs. We&#8217;re trying to make the community stronger in any way we can. Please try to keep this in mind when considering future ThrivePDX events.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron (the other one</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron (the other one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jmartens I don&#039;t see why the communities shouldn&#039;t be brought together, and I think it&#039;s cross beneficial to do so. What I don&#039;t quite see is why we would want to suddenly crystallize what is a very fluid (and therefore adaptive) non-SAO community into a board with a leader and this and that.

Also, between Lunch 2.0, Tweetup breakfasts, Beer and Blog, Ignite, etc, the calendar is pretty frickin&#039; packed as regards the &quot;more meetings&quot; that were called for a couple times in the &quot;shout your ideas out randomly&quot; phase of that... whatever that was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jmartens I don&#8217;t see why the communities shouldn&#8217;t be brought together, and I think it&#8217;s cross beneficial to do so. What I don&#8217;t quite see is why we would want to suddenly crystallize what is a very fluid (and therefore adaptive) non-SAO community into a board with a leader and this and that.</p>
<p>Also, between Lunch 2.0, Tweetup breakfasts, Beer and Blog, Ignite, etc, the calendar is pretty frickin&#8217; packed as regards the &#8220;more meetings&#8221; that were called for a couple times in the &#8220;shout your ideas out randomly&#8221; phase of that&#8230; whatever that was.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Blaker</title>
		<link>http://www.anotherblogger.com/2008/11/11/thrivepdx-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-408370</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Blaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most SAO events show up on &lt;a href=&quot;http://calagator.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;calagator.org&lt;/a&gt;, and of course they&#039;re on SAO&#039;s homepage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most SAO events show up on <a href="http://calagator.org" rel="nofollow">calagator.org</a>, and of course they&#8217;re on SAO&#8217;s homepage.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen McDade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen McDade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t attend Thrive -- but I&#039;m intrigued by the conversation about it, because it seems a lot like what&#039;s discussed in &lt;a href=&quot;http://oxidation.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/community-transformation-and-transcendence-v01/#comment-8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this blog post&lt;/a&gt; I read recently.

Aaron, I think your point about SAO showing up at &quot;existing community&quot; events AND allowing the &quot;existing community&quot; access to SAO events (if any) is a good one.  But it would really have to go both ways in order to bridge the two groups.

Finally, I agree that additional centralized leadership is probably not needed.  However, people who are coming from the corporate mindset may have hard time seeing that.  I worked with a volunteer team in the Girl Scout organization that honestly didn&#039;t have a single leader or even a leadership team.  When we started talking to the council executives, they totally couldn&#039;t understand that.  It was beyond their comprehension.  The funny thing is that it was the Girl Scout program (which most of us had grown up in) that had taught us to ALL be leaders, and to work together!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t attend Thrive &#8212; but I&#8217;m intrigued by the conversation about it, because it seems a lot like what&#8217;s discussed in <a href="http://oxidation.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/community-transformation-and-transcendence-v01/#comment-8" rel="nofollow">this blog post</a> I read recently.</p>
<p>Aaron, I think your point about SAO showing up at &#8220;existing community&#8221; events AND allowing the &#8220;existing community&#8221; access to SAO events (if any) is a good one.  But it would really have to go both ways in order to bridge the two groups.</p>
<p>Finally, I agree that additional centralized leadership is probably not needed.  However, people who are coming from the corporate mindset may have hard time seeing that.  I worked with a volunteer team in the Girl Scout organization that honestly didn&#8217;t have a single leader or even a leadership team.  When we started talking to the council executives, they totally couldn&#8217;t understand that.  It was beyond their comprehension.  The funny thing is that it was the Girl Scout program (which most of us had grown up in) that had taught us to ALL be leaders, and to work together!</p>
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		<title>By: Jmartens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jmartens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, you mean to tell me that the SAO has leadership...and events?

I kid, I kid.

I didn&#039;t attend, partly because when I read the initial description of the event I didn&#039;t see what the point was.

It was billed as a way to bring together the old, traditional technology companies with the young, independent, 2.0-ish community.

Do these communities want/need to be brought together?

I don&#039;t know the answer, honestly...I&#039;m just say&#039;n.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, you mean to tell me that the SAO has leadership&#8230;and events?</p>
<p>I kid, I kid.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t attend, partly because when I read the initial description of the event I didn&#8217;t see what the point was.</p>
<p>It was billed as a way to bring together the old, traditional technology companies with the young, independent, 2.0-ish community.</p>
<p>Do these communities want/need to be brought together?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the answer, honestly&#8230;I&#8217;m just say&#8217;n.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Turoczy</title>
		<link>http://www.anotherblogger.com/2008/11/11/thrivepdx-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-408366</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Turoczy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Reid Absolutely agree, but I also think we&#039;re in very much a &quot;they don&#039;t what they don&#039;t know&quot; situation. 

As much noise as we try to make about what we&#039;re doing, some folks have absolutely no idea how vibrant the non-SAO tech community is.

So when they say &quot;Why don&#039;t we do this?&quot; we say, &quot;You mean like we&#039;re already doing?&quot; 

So yes, not more events but rather more diverse participation at existing events. I think that&#039;s something in which we all have an interest.

That&#039;s part of my inspiration for trying to bridge this gap. I think all of the pieces are already here. (And obviously I&#039;m biased to the work that the non-SAO community has already done.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Reid Absolutely agree, but I also think we&#8217;re in very much a &#8220;they don&#8217;t what they don&#8217;t know&#8221; situation. </p>
<p>As much noise as we try to make about what we&#8217;re doing, some folks have absolutely no idea how vibrant the non-SAO tech community is.</p>
<p>So when they say &#8220;Why don&#8217;t we do this?&#8221; we say, &#8220;You mean like we&#8217;re already doing?&#8221; </p>
<p>So yes, not more events but rather more diverse participation at existing events. I think that&#8217;s something in which we all have an interest.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s part of my inspiration for trying to bridge this gap. I think all of the pieces are already here. (And obviously I&#8217;m biased to the work that the non-SAO community has already done.)</p>
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		<title>By: Reid Beels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid Beels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The (non-SAO) tech community has been a shining example of how well distributed ad-hoc organization can work. I found the talk of &quot;building&quot; a community with &quot;strong central leadership&quot; rather off-putting. I&#039;m not sure why we need _more_ events, instead of perhaps just more SAO participation in the existing community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The (non-SAO) tech community has been a shining example of how well distributed ad-hoc organization can work. I found the talk of &#8220;building&#8221; a community with &#8220;strong central leadership&#8221; rather off-putting. I&#8217;m not sure why we need _more_ events, instead of perhaps just more SAO participation in the existing community.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Turoczy</title>
		<link>http://www.anotherblogger.com/2008/11/11/thrivepdx-meh/comment-page-1/#comment-408363</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Turoczy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, I appreciate your taking the time to highlight the areas for improvement. This may come as a shock, but I often get far too Pollyanna about this stuff.

I didn&#039;t expect the more formal &quot;speech and testify&quot; portion of the event to occur, but I think they just went with the vibe. I can&#039;t fault them for that. At that point, I just had to shrug and get all utilitarian. Not my cup of tea, but it was clearly working for a large part of the group.

Someday, I hope &quot;ThrivePDX: The Lost Chapters&quot; surfaces so we can see what you had composed. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, I appreciate your taking the time to highlight the areas for improvement. This may come as a shock, but I often get far too Pollyanna about this stuff.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t expect the more formal &#8220;speech and testify&#8221; portion of the event to occur, but I think they just went with the vibe. I can&#8217;t fault them for that. At that point, I just had to shrug and get all utilitarian. Not my cup of tea, but it was clearly working for a large part of the group.</p>
<p>Someday, I hope &#8220;ThrivePDX: The Lost Chapters&#8221; surfaces so we can see what you had composed. <img src='http://www.anotherblogger.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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